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November 12th, 2004


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03:22 pm
The root of the anti-choice, "pro-life" problem:

"I guess I wasn't being clear. I'm willing to grant that banning abortion will cost women their empowerment. However, my position is that the cost is worth it."

What on earth is a cogent response to this? Because I'm all out of cogent, I'm headed tit-for-tat straight to the trans-cranial lead therapy. If you're going to turn every spermatozoa I might encounter into a bullet, let me introduce you to some bullets of my own...

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From:rjl20
Date:November 12th, 2004 03:40 pm (UTC)
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I favor "Fuck you, clown."

I guess that's not particularly cogent.
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From:holyoutlaw
Date:November 12th, 2004 03:47 pm (UTC)
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This is one reason of many, many, many that "anti-choice" is much more accurate than "pro-life."
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From:celibot
Date:November 12th, 2004 05:35 pm (UTC)
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absolutely, for a vast majority of the "pro-life" camp also are pro-death penalty and pro-war.
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From:breathejoy
Date:November 12th, 2004 06:39 pm (UTC)
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Could you please tell me the source for this stellar quote?
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From:cithra
Date:November 12th, 2004 09:14 pm (UTC)
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One Lucas Halim, in the comments over on Alas, a blog. He has other similar gems there as well. He's fine with women's empowerment, just not at the cost of the destruction of the unborn. Me, I'm not quite sure how that works, but I guess it makes as much sense as people behaving hatefully out of "love" in other venues.

I was alerted to it by ginmar who pointed it out as part of an interesting discussion of sexism, power imbalance, and so on.

I think this is part of what I find so profoundly earth-shattering about the election outcome - it's like we are suddenly back at square one philosophically speaking. It's like the 60s and 70s never happened, almost, except for the cell phones.
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From:sculpin
Date:November 12th, 2004 10:28 pm (UTC)
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Such a charming kid, that Lucas.

I'm not quite sure how that works

I suppose that if one honestly does believe that abortion is literally murder, then it makes sense. It's not illogical for such a person to extend that to believing that women's empowerment is not as important as preventing murder/abortion.

Unpleasant and freakish as it may be (IMNeverHO) to believe that an unconscious smear of cells is exactly as much a person as you or I, well, that's what a good portion of the anti-abortion people say they think. We might as well believe them.

Ugh, ugh, ugh. I'm with Josh, unsurprisingly. I think "Fuck you, clown" generally works just fine, though my version would probably be, "You are not an individual I wish to know." I might alter that for a close friend or relative, but for random people? No.
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From:cithra
Date:November 13th, 2004 04:07 am (UTC)
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Unpleasant and freakish as it may be (IMNeverHO) to believe that an unconscious smear of cells is exactly as much a person as you or I, well, that's what a good portion of the anti-abortion people say they think. We might as well believe them.


This is what disturbs me, because it doesn't seem that far a leap from here to 'unfertilized ova==potential people' and suddenly I'm a serial murderer simply for menstruating. The two positions make an equal amount of sense to me, at least - that is to say, none. Are women who miscarry destroying the unborn as well? Perhaps that simply fall under manslaughter, since it would be hard to prove intent.

I know a huge chunk of my problem here is trying to apply a logical framework to an non-logical situation.

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